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Marsh Posté le 06-08-2002 à 23:54:38    

By John G. Spooner  
Staff Writer, CNET News.com  
August 6, 2002, 4:00 AM PT  
 
Collaborating engineers from IBM, Sony and Toshiba have wrapped up the design for the inner workings of a mysterious new chip called the "Cell."  
The new multimedia processor, touted as a "supercomputer on a chip," is well on the way to completion, IBM says. The chip could end up inside the PlayStation 3 game console, and elements of its design are expected in future server chips from IBM.  
 
 
 
Cell has nearly "taped out"--an industry term meaning that the chip's pen and paper design and layout have been completed. Soon these will be handed over to engineers in manufacturing, who will craft samples. Meanwhile, the engineers have been testing various elements of the processor, both separately and together, before the manufacturing unit connects them inside actual Cell chips.  
 
At this rate, commercial production of Cell could come as soon as the end of 2004.  
 
While details remain vague, Cell will differ from existing microprocessors in that it will have multiple personalities. The chip will not only perform the heavy computational tasks required for graphics, but it also will contain the circuitry to handle high-bandwidth communications and to run multiple devices, sources say.  
 
Ultimately, Cell will provide a "much more interactive way of delivering content, including advertising, sports and entertainment such as video," to a wide range of Internet-ready devices, said Jim Kahle, director of broadband processor technology and a research fellow at IBM.  
 
This would be possible because a single chip will contain multiple processing cores, or cells--an esoteric design concept that's rapidly emerging from the labs, sources said. Communications features expected to be in the chips might also allow devices to form powerful, peer-to-peer networks, some analysts believe.  
 
"It's sort of like having a group of handymen who are able to raise the roof (on a building) or do plumbing if it's needed," said Richard Doherty, analyst with Envisioneering Group, a research firm.  
 
More than games  
So far, the chip triumvirate of IBM, Sony and Toshiba, which pledged $400 million to the project and sent engineers to a joint development center in Austin, Texas, has been short on details of how Cell could benefit each company.  
 
The processor has always been associated with Sony's PlayStation 3 and peer-to-peer computing, but will do more than allow players to battle opposing characters in multiplayer Internet games, Kahle said.  
 
But Cell will go "beyond gaming to just entertainment in general," Kahle said.  
 
From his own analysis, Doherty believes Cell will create a new extensible computing platform. A set-top box containing a Cell chip could, for example, combine to share processing power with a Cell-powered high-definition television to render the graphics of an animated movie.  
 
"It's like a beehive--cell components can also be ganged together," he said.  
 
This ability to change rapidly between states will make devices more flexible, but also give the living room a big boost in computing power when devices interact, making for much livelier games, movies and other entertainment-related experiences. That spells opportunities for Sony and its PlayStation line.  
 
For IBM, Cell represents a technology showcase. The new chip will not only illustrate IBM's design prowess, but it will also display the company's manufacturing expertise. To mint Cell, IBM will use its bag of chipmaking tricks, including silicon-on-insulator (SOI) processes and low capacitance dielectrics.  
 
Analysts say it's not as clear what Toshiba will get from Cell. The company could also use Cell to create new consumer devices such as high-definition televisions. Or, it could use Cell in its components business; Toshiba sells a wide range of components for set-top boxes and other consumer electronics products.  
 
What's behind Cell?  
While the processor's design is still under wraps, the companies say Cell's capabilities will allow it to deliver one trillion calculations per second (teraflop) or more of floating-point calculations. It will have the ability to do north of 1 trillion mathematical calculations per second, roughly 100 times more than a single Pentium 4 chip running at 2.5GHz.  
 
Cell will likely use between four and 16 general-purpose processor cores per chip. A game console might use a chip with 16 cores, while a less complicated device like a set-top box would have a processor with fewer, said Peter Glaskowsky, editor in chief of influential industry newsletter Microprocessor Report. Some of these cores might perform computational functions, while others could control audio or graphics.  
 
But not everyone thinks this approach is groundbreaking, given that some processors already use inter-chip multiprocessing. "I just don't see that Cell is revolutionary, except in its marketing impact," Glaskowsky said  
 
Indeed, a host of other chipmakers produce chips--known as system-on-a-chip processors--that use multiple processor cores to power systems ranging from networking equipment and automobile electronics devices to cellular phones.  
 
IBM entered the dual-processor core market with the Power4, the first server processor to use a multiple-core design. Power4 pairs two 64-bit PowerPC cores on the same processor, linked by a high-speed communications pathway.  
 
But efforts to create similar, more generic multiple-core processors--including MAJC (pronounced "magic" ), a very similar effort by Sun Microsystems--have missed their intended mark.  
 
The first MAJC chip was originally slated for multimedia processing, a job similar to Cell's. But instead of selling the chip to set-top box and game machine manufacturers, Sun repositioned the dual 500MHz MAJC 5200 chip as a high-end graphics processor for workstations.  
 
Software--the road ahead  
While Cell's hardware design might be difficult, it's creating software for the chip that will be the trickiest part of establishing it in the market.  
"It's going to take an enormous amount of software development," Doherty said. "We believe the chip architecture is going to be on time and ahead of the software wizardry that is going to really make it get up and dance."  
 
Furthermore, creating an operating system and set of applications that can take advantage of the Cell's multiprocessing and peer-to-peer computing capabilities will be the key to determining if Cell will be successful, he said.  
 
Knowing this, the three chip partners have so far set a goal of crafting Cell as a system, creating operating system and application software alongside Cell hardware.  
 
Cell's designers are engineering the chip to work with a wide range of operating systems, including Linux.  
 
But the chip triumvirate is also developing a purpose-built Cell operating system and applications, which Cell's developers will use to test the chip's various features, such as its multimedia processing capabilities. They are also likely to form the basis of a Cell software development kit and also the Cell OS and applications for end-devices, such as game systems, sources said.  
 
Still work to do  
While much of the work on Cell is complete, there's still a lot left to do.  
 
Together, the hardware and software teams will continue testing the chip's inner workings.  
 
The last stage of development work, which still lies ahead, includes completing circuit layout and then eventually testing actual sample chips.  
 
IBM is expected to begin manufacturing Cell as soon as 2004 or possibly early 2005. But as with many other details about the chip, Kahle will confirm only that the Cell project is on track to meet it's a 2005 introduction, which was set forth at its initial announcement.  
 
The rest of the chip's schedule is a secret, at least for now, he sa


 
 
 
 
je sens que......hum :D

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Marsh Posté le 06-08-2002 à 23:54:38   

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Marsh Posté le 06-08-2002 à 23:55:50    

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Marsh Posté le 06-08-2002 à 23:55:52    

bah finalement la ps2 fera bien ses 5 ans...


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Marsh Posté le 06-08-2002 à 23:59:08    

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While the processor's design is still under wraps, the companies say Cell's capabilities will allow it to deliver one trillion calculations per second (teraflop) or more of floating-point calculations. It will have the ability to do north of 1 trillion mathematical calculations per second, roughly 100 times more than a single Pentium 4 chip running at 2.5GHz.  
 


 
Sony®

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Marsh Posté le 06-08-2002 à 23:59:43    

:D ne soyez pas si médisant  [:yaisse2]

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:02:21    

The Leon a écrit a écrit :

 :D ne soyez pas si médisant  [:yaisse2]  




 
On ne dit rien, on quote les passages qui montre que la ps3 fera des emotions encore plus fortes, et cette fois cela ne sera plus les cinématiques de ff8 en tps réel, mais celles de ff le film  :)


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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:04:39    

n'empeche c sur elle marchera encore  :o  [:zebra33]

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:06:13    

[:rafthequaker]

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:06:59    

http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies/monkey2.gif

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:07:28    

@chewie a écrit a écrit :

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While the processor's design is still under wraps, the companies say Cell's capabilities will allow it to deliver one trillion calculations per second (teraflop) or more of floating-point calculations. It will have the ability to do north of 1 trillion mathematical calculations per second, roughly 100 times more than a single Pentium 4 chip running at 2.5GHz.  
 


 
Sony®




 

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- Sony has confirmed to Business Week that the new processor Cell will be used in PlayStation 3. Cell is a new processor co-developed by IBM, Toshiba and Sony, capable to operate at least one trillion instructions per second (Teraflops), which is estimated 4 times faster than a 2.5Ghz Pentium 4 processor


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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:07:28   

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:08:22    

The Leon a écrit a écrit :

n'empeche c sur elle marchera encore  :o  [:zebra33]  




 
Et ?


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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:09:00    

CrowFix a écrit a écrit :

 
 

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- Sony has confirmed to Business Week that the new processor Cell will be used in PlayStation 3. Cell is a new processor co-developed by IBM, Toshiba and Sony, capable to operate at least one trillion instructions per second (Teraflops), which is estimated 4 times faster than a 2.5Ghz Pentium 4 processor


 




 
 
C sony qui confirme, les autres se taisent...


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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:09:23    

CrowFix a écrit a écrit :

 
 

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- Sony has confirmed to Business Week that the new processor Cell will be used in PlayStation 3. Cell is a new processor co-developed by IBM, Toshiba and Sony, capable to operate at least one trillion instructions per second (Teraflops), which is estimated 4 times faster than a 2.5Ghz Pentium 4 processor


 




Je dis pas que c faux, je dis juste que c'est des rumeurs a la Sony :D
 
Le cell c 'est bien beau, mais on a rien de concret la dessus :o

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:09:51    

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mathematical calculations

 

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trillion instructions per second


 
c pê pas la meme chose  :ange:

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:10:13    

tu peux pas comprendre, c'est comme 1 kilo=1024 chez eux 100=4 (peut-être que par Pentium4 ils entendent pentium 100 :D)

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:10:13    

Dion a écrit a écrit :

 
 
Et ?




 
et ?

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:11:42    

@chewie a écrit a écrit :

 
Je dis pas que c faux, je dis juste que c'est des rumeurs a la Sony :D
 
Le cell c 'est bien beau, mais on a rien de concret la dessus :o
 




bof... 4 fois plus rapide qu'un p4 2.5 pour un processeur d'architecture totalement différente qui sortira dans 2 ans, ça me parrait tout à fait normal

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:14:09    

CrowFix a écrit a écrit :

 
bof... 4 fois plus rapide qu'un p4 2.5 pour un processeur d'architecture totalement différente qui sortira dans 2 ans, ça me parrait tout à fait normal



Ah vi j'' avais pas fait gaffe. Mais dans le communiqué de the leon c 'est 100 fois plus :D

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:14:39    

CrowFix a écrit a écrit :

 
bof... 4 fois plus rapide qu'un p4 2.5 pour un processeur d'architecture totalement différente qui sortira dans 2 ans, ça me parrait tout à fait normal




 
trillion quand même....


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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:17:46    

@chewie a écrit a écrit :

Ah vi j'' avais pas fait gaffe. Mais dans le communiqué de the leon c 'est 100 fois plus :D




 
j'avais deja kote l'autre communike
 
mais peut etre que c passe de 4 a 100  :ange:

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:19:45    

t1 ca va rox ff 15 dessus  [:zebra33]

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:23:02    

ba n oublire po que la ps2 peu guider des missiles nucleaire alors la ps3....
pfiiouuu si ben laden en chope une c la fin des usa !! :ouch:  :ouch:

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:23:27    

The Leon a écrit a écrit :

t1 ca va rox ff 15 dessus  [:zebra33]  




wé, faut bien ça pour bouger un perso dans un jeu online dans un décors vide


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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:24:04    

yess g une idee je v aller voire sur ps2-france ce qu il en disent...
sinon g eu la flemme de tous lire..
aparament ils parlent de peer to peer ?
veulent faire du calcule en peer to peer ou koa ???

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 00:29:45    

Wahou, avec tout ca le nouveau Fantavision qu'ils vont nous preparer pour la line-up de la PS3 il va dechirer sa mere grave !  :ouch:

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 04:25:24    

Les communiqués, c'est déjà chiant en temps normal, mais alors en anglais et à 4 heures du mat, c'est carrément imbuvable :D

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 04:56:56    

ok

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Marsh Posté le 07-08-2002 à 05:09:53    

drapo
lirai plus tard :sleep:


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Marsh Posté le 08-08-2002 à 12:59:49    

le lavage de cerveau commence déjà...

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Marsh Posté le 08-08-2002 à 13:05:58    

douille a écrit a écrit :

le lavage de cerveau commence déjà...




tu riras moins quand tu te prendra un missile sur la tronche [:zebra33]

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Marsh Posté le 08-08-2002 à 13:06:32    

1 teraflop...
et la marmotte...

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Marsh Posté le 08-08-2002 à 13:09:28    


 
Alors à votre avis 8 ou 10 mo de ram ?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Marsh Posté le 08-08-2002 à 13:44:46    

si vous vous souvenez bien, pour la ps2 ils pipotaient grave: rambus qui dechire et tout tout... alors qu'au final rien de spectaculaire sauf au nivo marketing
il nous feront le même coup pour la ps3 :lol:

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Marsh Posté le 08-08-2002 à 13:48:33    

[:drapo]  [:urgeman]  [:drapo]  [:vinz416]


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